White Tantra & Science, Scientific Support for Weor's Widom Options

[Lyte]

I found this board because a man from Spain found my website (from USA) and noticed the parallels between what Master Weor teaches and what I share ([www.]reuniting.info). I have read three of Samael Aun Weor's books and am fascinated by the common elements. I already knew, for example, that I was being shown that Gnosticism was based on a sacred sex practice, and that it was the original form of Christianity (and, indeed, the core from which all great religions spring). I have found parallels in Lao Tzu's writings, Alice Bunker Stockham's writings, and others.

I was led to the key insights from a slightly different angle than Master Weor, although my guiding light was also the quest for enlightenment (not yet attained!). My inner guidance has taken great pains to show me how conventional sex (with orgasm) SEPARATES couples (after an initial, addictive "honeymoon" phase). My guidance insists that this built-in emotional separation acts as mankind's spiritual anchor. It is also behind unhealthy celibacy, homosexuality, promiscuity, infidelity, etc....all the sorry attempts man makes to cope with this nasty aspect of his design.

In short, conventional sex keeps us chained to material life, sound asleep in uncomfortable dreams. When we try to love, we end up disillusioning ourselves, which tangles love with fear in our subconscious. Our bad feelings are then projected outward onto the world, and onto God, dimming our spiritual vision and making the world seem like a very uncomfortable place.

Anyway, part of my path has been to line up recent neuroscience discoveries with the ancient wisdom about learning to make love without orgasm. Here is a bit of what I've learned (with the help of a loving husband, who is a science instructor). Orgasm triggers scientifically-documented changes in the brain. At orgasm dopamine shoots up and then drops radically. Prolatin then rises. For those who may not be familiar with these terms, dopamine is the neurochemical that makes all addictions addictive. Prolactin is thought to be (among other things), the "sexual satiation" neurochemical.

Both of these neurochemical changes shift our perception of the world for the worse, and their effects linger for up to two weeks. These changes occur in the brain, so they affect BOTH sexes, although the effects may show up quite differently in each partner. Typical "symptoms" range from irritability, depression, unsound thinking, cravings, and so forth to clingy behavior, greed, feelings of loss, jealousy, or a desire to get away. Since our thoughts SHAPE the world we see, you can imagine that we are, indeed, creating a very unhealthy planet by this perfectlly natural means.

Above all, these changes leave us susceptible to attractions to OTHER lovers(because our partner now doesn't look as good through the haze of these neurochemical shifts...while a new partner will get our dopamine soaring again). This is nature's way of encouraging us to have offspring with more than one partner. This natural, biological program increases our genes' chances of being passed on, but it is not good for us as individuals. And, as Master Weor points out, it is detrimental to our spiritual awakening. Nature's goal is to keep us sound asleep and procreating as much as possible, but it should not be ours.

The key point is that when your dopamine soars you feel "in love" with your partner, but after orgasm, when it plummets, you see your partner quite differently, through a fog of unfortunate neurochemistry. This is why we humans are much better off avoiding orgasm. Making love often and without these extreme neurochemical peaks and pits, keeps our neurochemistry (and therefore our emotions) balanced. This is the natural solution to a natural problem.

For LOTS more information on this, see [www.]reuniting.info. It's quite fascinating that brain chemistry is lining up with the descriptions Master Weor gave about shifts in the subtle energies. These are just different languages for discussing the same phenomenon.

Hoping to hear from some of you.

Warm regards,
Lyte

[Paul G.]

It's good to hear some sound convential science in support of Master Samael's doctrine. Thanks for sharing that.

-Paul G.

[Chela]

Yes is seems that conventional and natural sex is that which binds us to being a mechanical and sleeping animal.

Ah, yes, this is why H. P. Blatavaski writes in the Secret Doctrine that "Eden" means voluptuousness; thus Adam and Eve were removed from paradise after they "ate the fruit.

[Chela]

Here are some quotes you may enjoy!

The action of alcohol, like that of anesthetics, is dependent on its ability to dissolve and remove lecithin from the brain; and when the concentration of brain lecithin is sufficiently lowered, insanity is the result. Sexual excess produces a similar effect; and, together with alcohol, constitutes a principal cause of neuropsychopathic conditions. …

That the internal secretion of the sex glands may have a nutritive function in relation to nervous tissue and brain cells, and that mental diseases may result from its absence, is indicated by the observation of McCarrison, who found that atrophy of the testicles is frequently found in cerebral and spinal diseases. …

These facts indicate an intimate relation between spermatozoa and the cells of the cerebral cortex, absence of the formation of the former leading to decline of the latter. There is evidence that spermatozoa, when not discharged, are resorbed into the blood-stream and carried to the brain. …

That the semen contains substances of great physiological value, especially in relation to the nutrition of the nervous system, is clear from its chemical analysis, which shows that it is extremely rich in lecithin, cholesterin and phosphorus, the chief constituents of nerve and brain tissue. It therefore follows that the withdrawal of these substances from the circulation by seminal discharges (voluntarily or involuntarily) must have an adverse effect on the nutrition of nerve and brain tissue and result in disturbed functioning. Such biochemical considerations support the view that loss of seminal fluid involves lowered nutrition of nerve and brain tissue, and, when excessive, leads to nervous and mental disorders. …

Both the semen and the brain are composed largely of phosphorized fats, or phospholipins, to which class lecithin belongs. Lecithin is a substance of great importance for the nervous tissue. It is claimed by some that the nerve fatigue experienced at the end of the day's activities is due to an exhaustion of the daily supply of lecithin in the myelin sheaths of the nerves, and that the invigorating effect of sleep is due to this lecithin being replenished during the night. The chronic fatigue of old age is considered to be due to a lecithin deficiency of the endocrine glands and the body as a whole. Lecithin is essential to the life of the nervous system, the brain and the endocrine glands. …

Now since both the brain and the semen depend for their supply of lecithin on what exists in the blood, it is clear that excessive withdrawal of lecithin by the sex glands would mean that a smaller amount would be available for the nutrition of nerve and brain tissue. May not neuroses and psychoses be due to such diminished nutrition of nerve and brain cells due to excessive withdrawal of lecithin and cholesterol from the blood to replace expended seminal secretions? The tonic effect of lecithin preparations upon the nervous system would indicate that the conservation of the body's own lecithin should constitute a therapeutic measure of primary importance in the treatment of neurasthenia and mental disorders. …

The only other part of the body that can compare with brain, nerve and endocrine tissue in high content of lecithin is the semen and spermatozoa, for like the brain, the semen is a fatty substance rich in phosphorized fats, the phosphatides or phospholipins. That considerable lecithin is required for the formation of spermatozoa is indicated by Miescher's observation that the amount of lecithin in the blood is increased during the period of formation of the reproductive cells. …

From the foregoing, it is clear that there is an important internal physiological relation between the secretions of the sex glands and the central nervous system, that the loss of these secretions, voluntarily or involuntarily, exercises a detrimental effect on the nutrition and vitality of the nerves and brain, while, on the other hand, the conservation of these secretions has a vitalizing effect on the nervous system, a regenerating effect on the endocrine glands and a rejuvenating effect on the organism as a whole.

If the sexual energy is transmuted into ojas or spiritual energy by pure thoughts, it is called sex sublimation in western psychology. Sublimation is not a matter of suppression or repression, but a positive, dynamic, conversion process. It is the process of controlling the sex energy, conserving it, then diverting it into higher channels, and finally, converting it into spiritual energy or ojas shakti. The material energy is changed into spiritual energy, just as heat is changed into light and electricity. Just as a chemical substance is sublimated or purified by raising the substance through heat into vapor which again is condensed into solid form, so also, the sexual energy is purified and changed into divine energy by spiritual sadhana.

Ojas is spiritual energy that is stored up in the brain. By entertaining sublime, soul-elevating thoughts of the Self or atman, by meditation, japa, worship and pranayama, the sexual energy can be transmuted into ojas shakti and stored up in the brain. This stored up energy can then be utilized for divine contemplation and spiritual pursuits.

Anger and muscular energy can also be transmuted into ojas. A man who has a great deal of ojas in his brain can turn out immense mental work. He is very intelligent. He has lustrous eyes and a magnetic aura in his face. He can influence people by speaking a few words. A short speech of his produces a tremendous impression on the minds of the hearers. His speech is thrilling. He has an awe-inspiring personality.

In the view of Tantra, the body's vital energies are the vehicles of the mind. When the vital energies are pure and subtle, one's state of mind will be accordingly affected. By transforming these bodily energies we transform the state of consciousness.

How can the oversexed person talk of having a creative mind?

Do they not know that the thoughts which are not penetrated by the Determinative Energy of Nature (sexual energy) become disintegrated?

Do they ignore that the Determinative Energy is the sexual force?

How can an individual whose pineal gland is atrophied, because of fornication, talk of having courage, willpower and triumph?


Is it perhaps that the intimate existent relationship between the pineal gland and the sexual glands is unknown, and also because the pineal gland is the messenger of the center of thought?

How can an individual who brain is weakened, because of the vice of coitus, talk of mental concentration?

In Tibetan Buddhism, especially if you look at the iconography of deities with consorts, you can see a lot of very explicit sexual symbolism which often gives the wrong impression. Actually, in this case the sex organ is utilized, but the energy movement which is taking place is, in the end, fully controlled. The energy should never be let out. This energy must be controlled and eventually returned to other parts of the body. What is required for a tantric practitioner is to develop the capacity to utilize one's faculties of bliss and the blissful experiences which are specifically generated due to the flow of regenerative fluids within one's energy channels. It is crucial to have the ability to protect oneself from the fault of emission. It is not just a purely ordinary sexual act.

Had Psyche, by meekness and affection, persuaded Love to reveal himself, she would never have lost Love. Now, Love is one of the mythological images of the Great Secret and the Great Agent, because it postulates at once an action and a passion, a void and a plenitude, a shaft and a wound. The initiates will understand me, and on account of the profane I must not speak clearly.

Through metaphysical intercourse, the nitrogen and magnesium of ancient alchemists, the polarized astral light undergoes remarkable changes.

Such intimate alterations secretly influence electrochemical relations in the most vital units of our organism in order to transform its structure.

Waldemar says: “When chemists tell us that all the biocatalysts of an organism appear to be an ordered system of inferior tele-causal factors, which act in accordance with life, in other words in the service of the superior objective of the organism, it is not difficult to conclude that the formation of internal emotions, reflections or impulses, depends on the radio-causal factors of the aura.

“Let us take a comparative look,” says Waldemar, “At the relationship between the living substance of ions and electrons, and we will be considerably nearer to comprehending the aforementioned.”

It is clearly evident that at that marvelous instant in the garden of delights, at the exquisite moment when the male organ enters deep in to the woman’s vagina, a very exceptional kind of electrical induction takes place.

It is indubitable, then, that the tele-causal factors of the aura undergoing electric impulses offer surprising possibilities.

In-depth psychological change can emerge in the profundity of the Consciousness if we know how to intelligently make use of the cosmic opportunity presented to us…

We lose such a marvelous opportunity when we intend only to gratify our senses.

Take it for what it is worth, and decide whether a** or man shall be master. He alone can possess truly the pleasure of love who has conquered the love of pleasure. To be able and to forbear is to be twice able.

OMNI ANIMAL POST COITUM TRISTE. (All Animals Are Sad After Ejaculation.)

[Lyn]

Hello Lyte

Welcome to Thelema’s Forum. I was interested to read your comments:

Both of these neurochemical changes shift our perception of the world for the worse, and their effects linger for up to two weeks. These changes occur in the brain, so they affect BOTH sexes, although the effects may show up quite differently in each partner. Typical "symptoms" range from irritability, depression, unsound thinking, cravings, and so forth to clingy behavior, greed, feelings of loss, jealousy, or a desire to get away.

From what I have been learning from the Gnostic teachings in relation to egos or psychic aggregates is that the core ego at the root or base of all others, is the ego of lust. So your comments above are very interesting in that the wrong use of sexual energy stimulates many other egos as detailed by you above.

Kindest regards
Lyn

[Xytor]

I can imagine that your website would be invaluable for those situations in which the spouse doesn't care for Gnosis or spirituality.

Please keep it up!

[l3unam]

Lyte,
I just want to thank you for your post and link to your website! It has alot of good information I had been wanting, and in a language easier for me to understand "sacred sexuality".

I was looking for information to give my wife, so she could have an easier time understanding what sacred sex is about.




Namaste
L3


Thank You!!!

[Augustin]

Hello Lyte,

I really wouldn't want to boost your ego of pride , but still, I would like to join the general chorus and add my own two hands to the general round of applause for your web site and the information within.

I just finished watching the four videos and read some more articles from your site. My own experience with my wife, if not as long lasting as yours or as that of other people in this forum, match to a high degree what you describe (we are no longer speaking about divorce!).

I am particularly excited about your references to Lao Tsu. I had already heard that in daoism men are recommended not to spill their semen, but I have not yet gone to read the text in Chinese. I will soon.

Obviously, Lao Tsu is well known here, in Taiwan, but this aspect of his teachings have not filtered through (apparently just like Alice B. Stockham's haven't in the US). Maybe it's time for me and other Chinese speakers to go and revive some old memories of ancient wisdom in this part of the world.

I definitely will order a few copies of your books. Is there any chance that translations in other languages are coming within a forseable future? Beside Chinese, I am looking for a French translation as well.

Blessings,

Augustin.

[aeofe]

Thank you
This can be very helpful to the western world especially
Very fascinating

[Lyte]

Thank you for all of these wonderful tidbits!

Lyte

[iris]

Great website!
Especially your explanation on the loss of energy-issue regarding women. I had been wondering about that since in confucianism and taoism the woman is often advised to orgasm where the man is not. I have prooved for myself how "normal sex' is many times the beginning of the end of love, yet, I have a question for you. How is your view (or what are your findings) regarding solosex for a person not involved in a romantic relationship? If you would be so kind to answer that... (I am planning on obtaining your book, so the answer might be in the book and I'll just read it from there.)

[Lyte]

Hello Lyte

Welcome to Thelema’s Forum.  I was interested to read your comments:

Both of these neurochemical changes shift our perception of the world for the worse, and their effects linger for up to two weeks. These changes occur in the brain, so they affect BOTH sexes, although the effects may show up quite differently in each partner. Typical "symptoms" range from irritability, depression, unsound thinking, cravings, and so forth to clingy behavior, greed, feelings of loss, jealousy, or a desire to get away.

From what I have been learning from the Gnostic teachings in relation to egos or psychic aggregates is that the core ego at the root or base of all others, is the ego of lust. So your comments above are very interesting in that the wrong use of sexual energy stimulates many other egos as detailed by you above.

Kindest regards
Lyn

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Thank you for sharing that Lyn. I, too, feel like Something is trying to show me that the way we keep dualistic thinking so powerful (keep ourselves asleep here) is through conventional sex. At first it was hard for me to consider, but then I thought..."well, if our thoughts are creating our reality, and conventional sex sets off all these "egos," then no wonder we're looking at a mess here. The whole world is trying to find deep satisfaction and wholeness through sex...and instead making themselves more miserable. A very effective "trap" indeed." Enough to make anyone believe in demons.

Eventually, however, I realized that this insight is actually cause for hope, since we can do things differently by gently retraining.

Thank you for your nice welcome.

[Lyte]

I can imagine that your website would be invaluable for those situations in which the spouse doesn't care for Gnosis or spirituality.

Please keep it up!

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Thank you for your encouragement and kind words. When I first began learning all of this, I kept expecting the Divine to send me a tantric yogi. Instead I found myself explaining over and over to different people with NO spiritual background why they would be better off changing the way they made love. Finally it dawned on my that my contribution would be to share these insights with the "uninitiated," just as you suggest. I suppose that's needed too! So I hope it can indeed help people whose mates don't relate to the more esoteric presentations of the same concepts.

Lyte

[Lyte]

Lyte,
I just want to thank you for your post and link to your website! It has alot of good information I had been wanting, and in a language easier for me to understand "sacred sexuality".

I was looking for information to give my wife, so she could have an easier time understanding what sacred sex is about.


Namaste
L3


Thank You!!!

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Thank you for your kind words. What I've been learning does seem to make it easier for some groups of folks to "hear" the truth in the more esoteric accounts of sacred sex.

Warm regards,
Lyte

[Lyte]

Great website!
Especially your explanation on the loss of energy-issue regarding women. I had been wondering about that since in confucianism and taoism the woman is often advised to orgasm where the man is not. I have prooved for myself how "normal sex' is many times the beginning of the end of love, yet, I have a question for you. How is your view (or what are your findings) regarding solosex for a person not involved in a romantic relationship? If you would be so kind to answer that... (I am planning on obtaining your book, so the answer might be in the book and I'll just read it from there.)

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Thanks for your kind words, Iris. I agree that much of the Taoist literature (and especially Tantra) is confusing about the effects of orgasm on women. Lao Tzu, however, speaks of how orgasm "dissipates and disorders the subtle energies," and he doesn't say the problem only affects men. I think he knew the truth, but the wisdom became diluted because people concluded that loss of semen was the only danger. In fact, the issue is more subtle because of the changes in the brain (of both sexes).

As you'll see in my book, a friend (female) and I discovered the truth for ourselves (not with each other *smile*)...and then I was led to insights in black and white (actually from within the Tantric tradition) that said orgasm is a problem for women, too. Once my husband began tracking down the brain chemistry of sex, it all fit together.

About solo sex, as my husband says it, "Orgasm is orgasm. Whether you're pushed off a bridge, or you jump...it's still a rough landing." That, however, is not the whole story. Without a mate, I don't think it's possible to overcome the orgasm reflex (unless, perhaps, one has the luxury of meditating 24 hours a day in a monastery, surrounded by others who are also balancing themselves constantly). People can make themselves very miserable trying to control this reflex totally while celibate...and still experience dream orgasms despite total willpower. That being said, I don't think reckless indulgence is a sound solution. Because sex is governed by the reward center of the brain (which drives ALL addictions) indulging in orgasm (or cocaine or any high-dopamine activity) actually makes the itch worse..and the high less and less satisfying.

My thoughts are that single people should do their best to raise their oxytocin levels (oxytocin is the "cuddle hormone") as much as they can and ask to be guided toward a partner. Oxytocin reduces cravings (including sexual frustration), promotes healing, calms and bonds.

Activities that raise oxytocin are yoga, meditation, touch (hugs, dancing, therapeutic massage--givng or receiving), group activities where you interact with others, and, above all, selfless nuturing of others (even volunteer work, for example). Oxytocin is the hormone that bonds parents with their kids, and makes our pets seem adorable to us...and bonds us with our lovers...at least until biology takes over and the dopamine/prolactin changes push lovers apart again...until we learn to make love carefully. The key, therefore, is to learn to sustain this heart-centered neurochemical in our systems.

I realize, as I'm sure you do, that these changes could also be described in terms of energy, love, and so forth. I'm speaking in neurochemical vocabulary just because that happens to be how I can best explain it. The neurochemistry is just a reflection of more subtle, but equally valid, changes.

Sorry to go on and on....
Lyte

[Lyte]

Hello Lyte,

I really wouldn't want to boost your ego of pride , but still, I would like to join the general chorus and add my own two hands to the general round of applause for your web site and the information within.

I just finished watching the four videos and read some more articles from your site. My own experience with my wife, if not as long lasting as yours or as that of other people in this forum, match to a high degree what you describe (we are no longer speaking about divorce!).

I am particularly excited about your references to Lao Tsu. I had already heard that in daoism men are recommended not to spill their semen, but I have not yet gone to read the text in Chinese. I will soon.

Obviously, Lao Tsu is well known here, in Taiwan, but this aspect of his teachings have not filtered through (apparently just like Alice B. Stockham's haven't in the US). Maybe it's time for me and other Chinese speakers to go and revive some old memories of ancient wisdom in this part of the world.

I definitely will order a few copies of your books. Is there any chance that translations in other languages are coming within a forseable future? Beside Chinese, I am looking for a French translation as well.

Blessings,

Augustin.

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Thanks, Augustin. I'll try to stay modest...which is pretty easy because there's way more for me to learn about all of this. As you probably know by now, the Lao Tsu book that I quote is called the Hua Hu Ching. To me it speaks of the same concepts as Mastor Weor's works, but in a much gentler tone. It's short, but beautiful from start to finish. The remarks about sacred sex are in sections 65-70. There was once a complete copy of the text available on line, but it has disappeared. Some of the key excerpts are here on my website, as you may already know: http://reuniting.info/8_laotzu.htm

My book has just come out in Italian, and will be coming out in Bulgarian (how many authors can say that??). The intro and first three chapters have been translated into French (which I could send you). A Belgian friend who is a super linguist is quite interested in finishing the French translation, but it may be a while. Finding an interested publisher would help motivate him. I'll send him your email to encourage him. Meanwhile, as you probably noticed, there is a French translation of the Table of Contents and Introduction on my site: http://reuniting.info/GBfr.htm

It would give me great pleasure to further the awareness of Lao Tzu's less well-known works in Taiwan. He is one of my heroes...so clear and calm and wise.

Warm regards,
Lyte

[iris]

Lyte,
Thanks for your your extended explanation. The length of your post hasn't bothered me at all!
Very interesting what you wrote about the oxytocin. I know that effect very well, especially from the times when my children were babies. I have been breastfeeding a long time and that also seemed to make a big difference.
Well, it just comes to my mind that maybe the fact that I like to hug my children so much might be a natural way to reduce imbalances. Nature works wonderful. And fysical contact for children is essential. It was prooved in one horrible experiment one time how children died when they didn't receive any loving contact, when they were just taken care of in the most basic way (feeding, sleeping, etc.).

[lahc]

what about watching p*** without orgasm? what effects does this have on the brain?

[Ryan]

The brain in itself is a marvelous organ, a truly divine thing! But when we put p*** into it, we disgrace ourselves and turn it into something demonic.

Watching only serves to strengthen lust, and increase fantasies.

We may be fornicating in the world of the mind and in the world of emotions even though we don't physically spill our seed!

I know some people who use to watch p***, go to strip clubs etc. with the justification saying "I'm doing research", and "I'm studying" . I used to be one of those people. Don't make the same mistake and fall into shame and disgrace.

Be strong my friend, and say "NO" once and for all, for all times sake.

[Lyte]

Lyte,
Thanks for your your extended explanation. The length of your post hasn't bothered me at all!
Very interesting what you wrote about the oxytocin. I know that effect very well, especially from the times when my children were babies. I have been breastfeeding a long time and that also seemed to make a big difference.
Well, it just comes to my mind that maybe the fact that I like to hug my children so much might be a natural way to reduce imbalances. Nature works wonderful. And fysical contact for children is essential.  It was prooved in one horrible experiment one time how children died when they didn't receive any loving contact, when they were just taken care of in the most basic way (feeding, sleeping, etc.).

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Exactly! We have a bonding mechanism in the brain. Evolution put it there to bond us with our children so we would support them for a long time. However, we can use it to sustain the bond with our intimate partners, too, if we learn how to avoid the separation reflex.

Warm regards,
Lyte