Is It Impossible To Transmute With Contraceptives? Options

[Nik]

I have a burning question about alchemy.

I have a girlfriend who after long conversations and a lot of trouble accepted that I will not ejaculate in her.
She also accepted that I wont give her an orgasm.

BUT...

She also has a intrauterine device (contraceptive).
Is is ok for me to practice alchemy with her?
Or is it the same as masturbating without lust?
She told me she can't let it be removed and she doesnt want to.
So my relation is now based on the answer of this question :S

[samanera]

Greetings NikvanWiggen


Try these: :rtfm:

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...=contraceptives

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...=contraceptives

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...=contraceptives

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...=contraceptives


It is Kabbalistically stated that Adam (Humanity) had two wives, Lilith and Nahemah.


Lilith is the Mother of abortion, incest, homosexuality, contraception and pederasty, etc.


Nahemah is the Mother of adultery, lust, fornication and sexual abuse, etc.


The Infernal Worlds within the interior of the Earth are divided into two inhuman spheres: Lilith and Nahemah.

In this epoch of racial devolution, the multitudes of the Left are devolving within the submerged spheres of Lilith and Nahemah.

The path that leads to the Abyss is paved with good intentions.

The Abyss is filled with sincerely mistaken ones.

Fornicators and the enemies of sex are abundant in the Infernal Worlds.

Homosexuals, lesbians, the henchmen of Lilith, who sterilize themselves and women who use contraceptives, devolve within the Infernal Worlds.

The supporters of induced abortion and the women who wilfully abort are also seen in the sphere of Lilith.

Male and female adulterers of the world are also found in the sphere of Nahemah.

The Great Illuminated Beings, that is to say, Sabaoth, fight in order to make the multitudes of the Left comprehend the crude realities of the facts.

Unfortunately, the multitudes of the Left think that they are doing very well.

This terrestrial humanity has reached the maximum of perversity.

Humanity frightfully devolves in this instant of mundane crises and total degeneration.

This devolving terrestrial humanity is entering into the submerged mineral kingdom in surges.

Human beings will destroy each other amongst their own selves in a horrifying way, if the expected cataclysm is delayed too long.

Unquestionably, the ego becomes more and more complicated as time passes.
The complicated ego becomes terribly malignant.

Frightfully, this terrestrial humanity has already failed and will become more and more perverse through time.

To live normally upon the Earth will be something more than impossible within a short period of time.
Malignity will be so great that within a short period of time, human beings will, in fact, have two thoughts in their minds: First, to kill; second, to be killed.

Very shortly, in the direction that we are going, death, assassination, vice and perversity, multiplied to its maximum, will reign in every house.

The great catastrophe that is expected has converted itself into a non-delayable necessity.

Only the great catastrophe can save us from the most horrifying terrors that the ego will let loose over the face of the Earth.

We presently have no more hope, except for the universal blazing Fire.

[Nik]

Thank you very much samanera.

I think all discussion about alchemy can be comfortably synthesized by Chela's post

Alchemy with contraceptives is not alchemy. Obviously, sexual magic is a pact with God, and not to be taken lightly. Discover what you really want in life. If you practice correctly, you will receive what is proper. The ego has ideas about what it wants and what it wants, it has its plans, but never will those plans fructify happiness.

Working with alchemy is going to help you with every aspect of your work. To wait until you have reached this or that degree is only to delay it, if your Being has provided you with the situation to make use of sexual magic, then that is that, but you have to be careful that it is not your ego at work. If you have someone you love, and you are able to practice, you must seriously ask yourself where all these excuses are coming from to avoid it, because, if you practice correctly, there is nothing to be afraid of.

Do not be afraid of having children, because you cannot avoid your karma. If your Being gives you that even though you have been practicing without fault, then that is what you need in order to progress. To avoid that, to avoid any possible pain or hardship, is to avoid the work itself.

[Luke Skywalker]

ok maybe this sounds crazy, and I really apologize if it does to some but...
HELLO?!?!
AIDS is very real, and so are all the STDs!
Are we just suppost to say, "Oh karma...." and roll the dice?
I guess the answer is yes huh? Oh dear...
But you know there are just things that we do in life: go to work, eat when we are hungry, sleep at night, well wearing a condom is one as well isn't it? I guess I am just looking for another opinion cause this seems very dangerous in this time of the world and the argument here is very one sided.

Anyways I would like to ask.. you know women go through a cycle for when rite after they have there period, for like a week, a couple can have intercourse without a chance of having a baby. Couples could just use this time to do the sexual alchemy rite? Then they could keep from having a baby if it was not practical for them. Is this acceptable?

[Chela]

Sexual Magic occurs between a man and woman who are involved in a loving relationship.

Sex itself is the authentic rite of marriage. Understanding this, any couple who practices sexual magic are already married in the eyes of God.

Any man or woman who is preparing to enter into the Ninth Sphere (sex) would already know if their partner had an STD or not.

Therefore, in this way there is "no rolling of the dice."

[daniel]

maybe there can be a full explanation somewhere on the site of things people aught to know about this subject before they begin with it, because theres constantly people asking similar questions about alchemy. some might otherwise try to fit it into their ideas of intimacy that they have from society, which in these times is really bad. they might have only begun reading and think oh i should try this with the next person i go out with.

theres also several unanswered questions lately about how long a person needs to be abstinant since their last intimate partner before taking this up with someone new (1 year, 3?), and about people who have been sterilized. arent there also a set of rules regarding when people are unclean, as in the Bible, and are supposed to wait certain amount of days, and other such things? instead of getting these things in bits and pieces can there be a definitive topic or lecture about the things that single aspirants should know, do, and not do, before considering this aspect of the work? a sort of list of ethics or a FYI paper if u like.

[Aristocrates]

Sexual Magic occurs between a man and woman who are involved in a loving relationship.

Any man or woman who is preparing to enter into the Ninth Sphere (sex) would already know if their partner had an STD or not.

I am making an assumption here, but correct me if I'm wrong, you're stating that a truely "loving" couple basicly would be open enough with one another to reveal such things as this?

Be that as it may, and yet, if this is the case, aren't there STD's that one partner can carry and be totally unawares to it's presence? Which can be transmitted to the new partner without either realizing it, because it didn't affect the one person, but does affect the next?

[Chela]

I am making an assumption here, but correct me if I'm wrong, you're stating that a truely "loving" couple basicly would be open enough with one another to reveal such things as this?

Be that as it may, and yet, if this is the case, aren't there STD's that one partner can carry and be totally unawares to it's presence? Which can be transmitted to the new partner without either realizing it, because it didn't affect the one person, but does affect the next?

Every situation is what it is. Sexuality has been, is, and always will be dangerous. Sex has already transformed us into beasts, demons. And what about the karma of that?

Those who contract STDs must fight the tyrant lion of the law (karma) with the scale.

[samanera]

Be that as it may, and yet, if this is the case, aren't there STD's that one partner can carry and be totally unawares to it's presence? Which can be transmitted to the new partner without either realizing it, because it didn't affect the one person, but does affect the next?

As far as I'm aware, if someone is carrying an STD, it will show up when tested if they wait long enough(9-12 months I believe, after having had performed the sexual act) to have a clinic perform the tests; even if they're not showing symptoms.

[Nik]

maybe there can be a full explanation somewhere on the site of things people aught to know about this subject before they begin with it, because theres constantly people asking similar questions about alchemy. some might otherwise try to fit it into their ideas of intimacy that they have from society, which in these times is really bad. they might have only begun reading and think oh i should try this with the next person i go out with.

theres also several unanswered questions lately about how long a person needs to be abstinant since their last intimate partner before taking this up with someone new (1 year, 3?), and about people who have been sterilized. arent there also a set of rules regarding when people are unclean, as in the Bible, and are supposed to wait certain amount of days, and other such things? instead of getting these things in bits and pieces can there be a definitive topic or lecture about the things that single aspirants should know, do, and not do, before considering this aspect of the work? a sort of list of ethics or a FYI paper if u like.

That would be a great idea.
I recently broke up with the girl whom I was talking about in the opening post.
I heard I must wait a year to start a new relationship. But according to another person it should be 3 years.
It is not hard to wait 3 years if you know any sexual alchemy is impossible for 3 years after a disconnection,
but it is a waste of time and a pity if we wait for 3 years while it's not necessary.

Any help from an experienced lecturer would be more then welcome.
The sexual energy is the most powerfull energy and misuse can lead to failure extremely fast.
So It would be great if an entire lecture could be spend on the very specific details.
They can all be found in (except the "how long must I wait after a breakup" question") the lectures but I guess it would be right if someone made a lecture about all the sexual related trivia. concretely.

I suppose we all have major respect for the ones that made this website possible, so any demands made are with sincere humility.

[Ralph]

...I recently broke up with the girl whom I was talking about in the opening post...Any help from an experienced lecturer would be more then welcome...

I'm not an experienced lecturer.

You might want to listen to and meditate on the Arcanum 19 lecture. It won't directly answer your specific question, but it might help you understand what might have gone wrong with this recent (ahem) "relationship", and what you might do to prevent the same circumstances from recurring. If it takes you 5 years, or 2 years, or 1 year, or (whatever) to reach this understanding, then that might be how long you should wait.

When you are ready, God will send you a wife.

[sook]

That would be a great idea.
I recently broke up with the girl whom I was talking about in the opening post.
I heard I must wait a year to start a new relationship. But according to another person it should be 3 years.
It is not hard to wait 3 years if you know any sexual alchemy is impossible for 3 years after a disconnection,
but it is a waste of time and a pity if we wait for 3 years while it's not necessary.

Any help from an experienced lecturer would be more then welcome.
The sexual energy is the most powerfull energy and misuse can lead to failure extremely fast.
So It would be great if an entire lecture could be spend on the very specific details.
They can all be found in (except the "how long must I wait after a breakup" question") the lectures but I guess it would be right if someone made a lecture about all the sexual related trivia. concretely.

I suppose we all have major respect for the ones that made this website possible, so any demands made are with sincere humility.

Maybe it's not a matter of waiting. Maybe when you meet the right person then you'll know. That could be 6 months or 6 years. To put off having a relationship with the right person because someone told you that you should wait a specific period of time, may not be what's best for you. Only your Inner Being can tell you this.