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Grace And The Burden Of Salvation
wheatbean
post Nov 28 2005, 08:54 PM
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A teacher of mine has some interesting ideas (some of which resonate to me as having something valuable, but some I have some qualms with), but I hope I convey some of them properly. What do you think of this: the idea of Grace-- that there is absolutely nothing one can do to save onesself, that life and salvation are both entirely a gift. That all are given Grace-- regardless if they are sinners or not, because all are sinners. Also, that the burden of salvation, the idea that one has to save onesself, would drive a person mad. (Of course, this seems to indicate an obsession-ego approach, rather than a relaxed consciousness-- which would have no need to be obsessed with salvation in the first place?).

These ideas seems to contradict (and somewhat coincide, in some aspects) with Gnosis-- that one can do something about one's condition. I was curious, though-- is this a matter of Grace in itself, to be able to do the work? Or is this all a gift, too? Is "our part" (the practices) in actuality a Grace, devoid of any semi-pelagian qualities?

It perturbs me that if only some, and very few, actually achieve self-realization, than what happens to all of the others, those who don't make it, those who fall, those who've never tried to change? I guess you can see my influences from the "everybody goes to heaven" train still reside somewhere within me, but it still... at least, if thats the case, I can understand a little bit why there are Bodhistattvas.
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- wheatbean   Grace And The Burden Of Salvation   Nov 28 2005, 08:54 PM
- - narayan   QUOTE(wheatbean @ Nov 29 2005, 02:54 AM) ...   Nov 29 2005, 01:58 AM
- - Chela   The soteriological belief of many Christians that ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:39 AM
|- - Paul G.   QUOTE (wheatbean)It perturbs me that if only some,...   Nov 29 2005, 11:25 AM
- - wheatbean   Thank you all for your replies. Chela, I just ha...   Nov 29 2005, 02:43 PM
|- - Chela   Everyone will pay what they owe, but some will pay...   Nov 29 2005, 04:51 PM
- - James Crow   If the Law required that you pay all of your karmi...   Nov 29 2005, 05:01 PM
- - wheatbean   Thank you both. I find myself often wavering-- ...   Dec 2 2005, 03:57 PM
|- - Ralph   Outside of Gnosis (which I think you're still ...   Dec 2 2005, 07:50 PM
- - kazz   Hello, I am back "I believe that man's ...   Dec 8 2005, 07:23 PM
|- - narayan   QUOTE(kazz @ Dec 9 2005, 01:23 AM) 12549H...   Dec 8 2005, 09:10 PM
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|- - student   QUOTEWith thunder and heavenly fireworks must one ...   Dec 9 2005, 08:14 PM
- - kazz   Student, It's talking about faith, not belief...   Dec 8 2005, 11:46 PM
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- - kazz   thanks everyone for responses. Shumallu: Accordi...   Dec 9 2005, 08:36 PM
- - kazz   Paul, Orthodox church and Roman Catholic church s...   Dec 9 2005, 10:51 PM
|- - Shumallu   QUOTEAccording to Orthodoxy, we may approach God, ...   Dec 10 2005, 02:10 AM
- - kazz   Shumallu: That's right. God is internal (ever...   Dec 10 2005, 02:32 AM


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