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Did He Really Say.....?!, The Dalai Lama and Osho
samanera
post Jun 22 2005, 06:07 PM
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With the following info regarding Osho, in mind...:

http://www.gnosiscentral.com/GnosisCentral...topic.php?t=222

(You can also do a search in the Thelema-Press forums)


EDIT:

Please forgive my assumptiveness and ignorance.

All I'll ask, is if anyone knows whether the following quotes, are actual quotes or not?:


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"Osho is an enlightened master who is working with all possibilities to help humanity overcome a difficult phase in developing consciousness".


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"He is the greatest incarnation since Buddha in India - he is a living Buddha!"



http://66.102.7.104/search?hl=en&lr=&a...22Dalai+Lama%22]


And if so; why?


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post Jun 22 2005, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE
"Osho is an enlightened master who is working with all possibilities to help humanity overcome a difficult phase in developing consciousness".
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Osho is the greatest incarnation after Buddha in India. He is a living Buddha."
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Matthew 8: 20: And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

21: And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

22: But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


"Dead are not those who in peace rest within the cold tomb
Dead are those who still are alive yet their souls are doomed." dry.gif


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"Dead are not those who in peace rest within the cold tomb;
Dead are those who still are alive yet their souls are doomed."
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post Jun 23 2005, 12:45 PM
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Where are those quotes from?

Are they from a book? From a lecture witnessed by many people? From a recording?

Today, it's easy to fool many people using forgeries.

There is an entire "Gnostic" Organisation which claims that Master Samael recommended only five of his books. Obviously, as discussed in many places, Master Samael didn't recommend anything like this to his students.
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post Jun 23 2005, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(arin @ Jun 23 2005, 12:45 PM)
Where are those quotes from?

Are they from a book? From a lecture witnessed by many people? From a recording?

Today, it's easy to fool many people using forgeries.

There is an entire "Gnostic" Organisation which claims that Master Samael recommended only five of his books. Obviously, as discussed in many places, Master Samael didn't recommend anything like this to his students.
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which organisation
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post Jun 24 2005, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(mofason @ Jun 23 2005, 04:41 PM)
which organisation

http://www.gnosis-usa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1222
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post Nov 21 2006, 08:25 PM
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Okay, about this quote:


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"He is the greatest incarnation since Buddha in India - he is a living Buddha!"



I believe this quote was supposedly in reference to Swami Govind Siddharth, as supposedly told to Osho by the 16th Gyalwa Karmapa.


And I really don't believe that the first quote found in this thread supposedly by H.H. The Dalai Lama, was really spoken by His Holiness.


Anyway, just wanted to clarify that the teachings of Osho are no bueno(and that the Karmapa's and Dalai Lama's teachings are bueno), for those who may end up stumbling upon this thread.


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post Nov 22 2006, 03:50 PM
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Maybe the same answer that Stefane, Chela and Matthew Thomas give in the below thread will help to answer this thread.
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...ic=3024&hl=

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"The Truth is a matter of direct experience, it is not a matter of theories, opinions, or concepts."


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post Nov 22 2006, 05:15 PM
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Right, the best way is always to investigate internally.

I just came across this thread while searching the other day, and wanted to clarify that Osho is a deceiver..., regardless as to whether the Dalai Lama or Karmapa praised him or not.


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post Nov 22 2006, 11:11 PM
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If you apply the same principles then the only way to really know the truth about the teachings from someone such as Osho, Dalai Lama or even Samael is to:
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"The Truth is a matter of direct experience, it is not a matter of theories, opinions, or concepts."

It's the only way to know if they are a deceiver or not, otherwise your judgement is based on your own conditioning or worse, someone elses opinions, teachings, dogma.


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post Nov 23 2006, 12:01 AM
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No, sometimes it is just obvious.


http://www.google.com/search?num=100&h...&q=Osho+Sex

(Beware of some of what you may see here^^^)


Black Tantra, period.


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post Nov 23 2006, 12:30 AM
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Any answer given by the mind is conditioned, based on a set of beliefs, experiences.
Truth only comes from our Being not the mind. Whilst some answers given by the mind may appear obvious and the Truth, it hasn't come from our Being and so must be questioned. If you can know the difference and the answer from your Being is the same, then you know it to be true, ie it is the Truth, not because you read it somewhere or someone told you it was true, but because it really is true.
It's not about whether in this particular case Osho happens to be a deceiver or not, it's about finding out for ourselves what is true and what isn't. It could be about anyone or anything, it's always up to us to go into it, to discover the truth in ourselves.


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